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California to Secede?
01.11.05 (4:02 pm)   [edit]

Well I'm back people, and I'm sure you are all devastated over the Broncos' loss Sunday.  But, back to California, they don't have the balls to do it.


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 (CNSNews.com) - California could cut taxes, fully fund education and balance its budget by seceding from the United States, a newly organized group says.

The Committee to Explore California Secession, also known as Move On California, says it hopes to bring people together to consider the merits of an autonomous and independent California.

Those benefits would be both financial and political: "For every dollar Californians give to the federal government we see only 78-cents come back," the group's website says. It also expresses concern about "the diminishing voice of Californians in national politics" and "national trends that are tipping the balance in the direction of the religious conservative agenda."

[Contrary to what Move On California claims, California Republicans now chair six U.S. House committees, giving California more congressional clout than any other state, Fox News reported.]

Jeff Morrissette, the founder of Move On California, says the secession buzz began shortly after the November 2004 re-election of President Bush. But, he says, politicians from both parties object to subsidizing other states at a time "when those California tax dollars could be better spent at home to shore up our own fiscal problems."

According to Morrissette, if Californians could control the $40 billion that goes to pork barrel spending projects in other states every year, they could give state taxpayers a $20-billion tax cut and still have enough money to fully fund California spending priorities, specifically education, and balance the budget at the same time.

Morrissette says momentum is building for the California secession movement. "While secession may be a long-shot," he says, "it will succeed in bringing awareness to many of the grievances California has politically, socially and fiscally."

"Californians are getting pushed around and it's time we pushed back," he said.


Now I know there are a lot of people out there who will just say stupid things like this, but how many will form their own organization to carry it out? 


Is it even legal to plot secession?  Eh, it would be entertaining to say the least.


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 Let me just reiterate what I’ve stated elsewhere. This isn’t about starting a civil war. We are talking about peaceful secession and the creation of an independent California. Time will judge if a majority of Californians agree that independence is the best way. If and when that happens it is our desire that cooler heads prevail and a diplomatic, peaceful, political resolution comes about.


Maybe Mr. Morrissette is a little rusty in the history department, but last time somebody tried a peaceful secession and the creation of an independent nation, hundreds of thousands of people died. 


You should read the rest of that first article, it's pretty funny.  I want to see Californians try to secede, especially with Arnold as governor.  That would be awesome.  Especially watching the liberal pacifists faced with the choice of fighting for their "independence" or remaining true to their nonviolent nature. 

 


posted by: lawngnome (reply)
post date: 01.12.05 (6:33 am)

Well, to be fair, the climate between 1861 and 2005 is very different. The reasons surrounding the succession movements of both times are vastly different, as is the status of the U.S. as a stable nation.

I always viewed the notion of succession like this: The U.S. was founded by a group of people who valued independence. People who wanted to form a more "perfect" government. One cannot assume that the spirit of independence that helped to found this nation is dead or pacified... and one cannot assume that the U.S. will always be the "perfect" government for all the people or states living within it.

When in the course of human events.... and all that jazz. :)

I am not saying that a succession would ever happen. I am just not seeing a reason to deny people who want it the oppertunity to legally and seriously pursue it.

Of course, to be fair, you will have blind loyalists on both sides of the debate... I suppose somethings don't change....



posted by: LynnKramer (reply)
post date: 01.12.05 (10:08 am)

For years now, a committe has been planning the Splitting of California into 2 separate state.

That idea has go far enough to name Santa Ann as the capital of Southern California, while keeping Scaremento as the capital of Northern California. the dividing line between the two would be a line drawn along a certain latitude, I think close to San Jose.

This makes more sense and has a much mor likelihood of happening. the citizens of the new states would gain 1 more senator each and 1 more repesentative each. The northern and southern parts of the two are far apart idealogically and politically as well.



posted by: RedTigress (reply)
post date: 01.12.05 (3:04 pm)

That's so dumb. I'm in CA and I've heard of this group before. It's a pipe dream, to say the least. . . and a silly one at that.



posted by: Defensor (reply)
post date: 01.15.05 (11:36 am)

Reply to: lawngnome

"and one cannot assume that the U.S. will always be the "perfect" government for all the people or states living within it."

We have never had a government that was "perfect" for all the people living within it, but that doesn't mean those people should be allowed to move to some state and then secede.

I wasn't saying it should be illegal to talk about secession, I was just wondering if actively pursuing it was legal. Apparently it is as long as violence isn't involved.



posted by: Defensor (reply)
post date: 01.15.05 (11:42 am)

Reply to: LynnKramer

That does make more sense. I've never heard of it. I'd only heard of this and MEChA trying to return the southwest to Mexico.



posted by: Defensor (reply)
post date: 01.15.05 (11:43 am)

Reply to: RedTigress

Especially since CA is like, what, the 5th largest economy in the world? For the government to just give it up without a fight would be insane.



posted by: RedTigress (reply)
post date: 01.16.05 (7:34 am)

Reply to: Defensor

Exactly. Can you imagine the civil war it would start?



posted by: ABlain (reply)
post date: 01.19.05 (2:57 am)

I would hope that the United States has grown past its need for civil war. Perhaps you need only look north to a peacefull secession that happened in 1867. When people are truly dedicated there is a peaceful means to nearly every end. It is absurd to believe that a civil war will result because of the loss of 22% of tax revenues. I can't realistically see California seceding, but it would certainly be interesting. No more American movie influence, all our movies would come from the nation of California!



posted by: Defensor (reply)
post date: 01.19.05 (10:57 am)

Reply to: ABlain

I can't see it happening either, but it's still fun to look at an organization set on getting California to secede.

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